Jen Donlin’s Intuitive Gifts: Tarot & Spinal Energetics
Curious How Tarot, Angel Numbers & Spinal Energetics Work Together for Deeper Healing?
Spinal energetics, Tarot, angel numbers, energy work—all these modalities are synergistically connected. Even as someone who does this work it constantly fascinates me!
I’m no stranger to spinal energetics. (You may have even heard my previous conversation with Amanda O’Mara, another spinal energetics practitioner!)
But what pleasantly surprised me about Jen Donlin’s work was how intuitive her approach was! She has this keen sense of being able to dive deep and put the exact words to what I was feeling and experiencing.
Jen is also a Tarot reader and Reiki master. She seamlessly weaves these multiple modalities together to peel away the layers—allowing your nervous system to quickly work through whatever beliefs or stories may be keeping you stuck.
Topics covered in this podcast episode:
How Jen started waking up to her spiritual gifts
Why Jen combines spinal energetics, Tarot, & Reiki
How Tarot helps Jen open her channel especially as a Manifestor
The journey that many healers experience as they awaken to their gifts
Tips to begin to use the Tarot for guidance in your own life
Jen & Rae’s favorite Tarot decks
What angel numbers are
How Jen uses angel numbers
Resources to deepen your understanding of angel numbers
What spinal energetics is
How spinal energetics has impacted Rae
What happens during a spinal energetics session
What’s so different about how Jen does spinal energetics
A live Tarot spread with Jen
Meet Jen Donlin:
Jen Donlin, a skilled Tarot Reader, Reiki Master, and Spinal Energetics Practitioner. As a Transmutation Coach, Jen specializes in clearing blockages and catalyzing energetic, physical, and emotional shifts, empowering clients to step into their full power. Through Spinal Energetics, she helps clients release deep-seated tension patterns and energetic blockages stored in the body due to trauma. This process allows for the natural flow of energy, leading to profound healing and transformation. With her intuitive insight and spiritual guidance, Jen supports clients in deepening their spiritual connection, unlocking their intuitive gifts, and embracing their authenticity.
Resources:
Join The Temple (Jen is coming in here very soon!)
Guided Masterclass (11/8)
Not sure where to start? Book a connection call!
Related Episodes:
Bringing safety to the body & your business with Spinal Energetics w/Amanda O’Mara
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Hello, everybody. I am super excited about today's guest and special guest. As you all know, I don't have anybody on the podcast that I've not personally worked with or had, and not only personally worked with, but had like phenomenal experiences with and Jen Donlon is today's guest here with me. Hi, Jen.
Hi, thanks so much for having me. Yeah, and I'm really excited because this Hi, Cass is going to be packed with a lot of different things as we were just discussing, but first I just want to share a little bit I think that's really interesting about you. You are a Leo rising Virgo sun Aries moon. So a lot of fire, but then that like grounded earth energy.
And when I first connected with you, I guess maybe I was looking back, it was early summer, like right mid summer. It was right when I had gotten back from a retreat and I was looking for some nervous system integration work and The practitioner that I usually use, I didn't want to use her because of a specific situation that I was going through and didn't want to put her into, I needed somebody that I could really be like a confident and this, this situation was like a mutual thing, you know, anyways, I didn't want to bring in a conflict of interest and Anyways I was super nervous kind of coming into another spinal energetics practitioner, because I'd had so much like amazing results from Amanda, who you guys can catch her.
She's been on the podcast before. And but I was pleasantly surprised because one thing that I thought really stood out to me was your very intuitive approach and that, You, you really had this keen sense of being able to dive in and get to exactly what was the underlying language like you were like this, like you could put it to words exactly what, you know, I, as I was expressing, which is your beautiful Mercury and Libra and that third house energy of just being able to put all those words out there and I was like, yes, and I instantly knew I was like, she's got to be Virgo energy.
It was like I didn't know it. But anyway, it was a great, beautiful experience. And we've, I've since worked with you many times. We've connected, we've become friends, you're coming into the temple next month, and you're going to be doing some fun things with Tarot. Which is another thing that I love about you is this interesting dichotomy that you have between using Tarot along with Spinal Energetics.
Now you didn't necessarily use Tarot in my Spinal Energetics sessions, but Tarot is a big part of what you do. Like, if you guys go check her out on her social media, on Instagram, and I believe you're on TikTok as well. She does a lot of like fun tarot things and explaining what they mean if you want to learn it's a great place to learn.
And so I just find it really fascinating how like you're, you're multifacetedness and bringing these two very different. You know, modalities together in your world. And so anyways, that is my long introduction around you and how we've met a little bit about you. And if you just want to take a moment and just introduce yourself through the lens of your perspective and all that you do through the spinal and the tarot, that would be awesome.
Yes. Thank you so much. First of all, for having me here. I'm so excited to be here. So yeah, so my name is Jen Donlon. I am a tarot reader, a Reiki master, and also a spinal energetics practitioner. I like to think that my modalities are a direct reflection of my journey. So. Everything that I now offer is something I've used to directly help myself.
I think of myself as like the poster child for my business. Like the things that I help my clients use and do are the exact things that have helped me on my journey. And so I find that like, In all of my sessions, I'm helping people who are at a phase on my journey that I was once on, or they're going through something, or sometimes people are going through things that I haven't gone through, but I'm able to use the tools that have helped me to then help them wherever they're at on their journey.
Yeah, I think you can kind of see it within my chart of that Scorpio stellium vibe that I have going my, my big theme, I think, in my life and my business is all around transformation and death and rebirth and so thank you, too, for hitting on that point about like, the dichotomy of, like, tarot and, and spinal, like, how do those work together?
Why do those kind of come together? And I found that at the very beginning of my journey. I was up in the ethers. I was like, discovered this whole new level of energy and spirit guides. And I was living up there, loving it, communicating all of that stuff. And it was so helpful. And it's where like, I really like dove into all of my gifts.
And then I felt like there was a missing piece because I was so much up in the ethers and in my like upper chakras. that I needed something to bring me back down and help translate and make that connection from like mind to body. And I find that that not only translated well within my life, like connecting those two modalities, but it also, like you said, helps me within my spinal energetic sessions because that like channeling vibe that I get through Tarot, it's kind of just like I drop into the zone and things just start pouring out kind of thing.
With tarot, it also translates well into spinal energetics because I can tap into the places in your body and kind of deliver messages, whatever is kind of coming through through that way. So it's, it's kind of my own mish mosh of, of, of stuff that I've put together and it like you said, how You went to Amanda and like every practitioner, every tarot reader is very different.
We put our own magic and spin on things. Right. And so it, it's kind of really cool to be able to share my magic with you and I'm so grateful that you felt called to me. So, yeah. Yeah. I love it. Cause so when you were doing spinal energetic sessions with me, where are you using tarot? No, I was not. Oh, okay.
All right. I'm like, but so you do do that sometimes to help kind of move through the energy, essentially. I would say, yeah. And I think the main thing that comes through with Harrow, it's really developed my channel gifts because the The cards are like a prompt for me, right? So I pull the card. So just splitting the deck here to the eight of pentacles.
That is my prompt, which then helps like the message start to flow. You know, it allows that, that opening. I'm also a manifester for human design, which I like to be prompted. And so the cards work in that fashion of prompting me to then respond in that, that way, you know, yeah. . Yeah. So what are your profile lines in human design?
I, I'm not that clear on that. Oh, you're not just like that. Okay. I, I do know the manifester. I'm a six two. Does that make sense? Yeah. I could see you being a six line. Yeah. I, I had a feeling, you know, it's like, because I have a three, six and , like, okay, I find people with a six line and their profiles or three is, but a lot of the times a six.
It's like taking people through a very deep journey. Of course. And you also have. You know, like you mentioned your Scorpio stellium, which is in the fourth house. So it's even more like a combustive approach of like really getting people back into the roots of who they are, because this has been your journey really is healing through matters of the home matters of like mother, you know, big mother stuff here, , a lot of karmic generational stuff happening there with that Scorpio in the fourth house and your cancer and Mars.
So you had mentioned that you found that the, the blend of tarot and spinal, spinal energetics was like, how did the tarot help bring you to earth? So you were mentioning you were in your upper chakras and I think that so many people when they're first getting started in there.
spiritual journey and their spiritual bigger spiritual awakening, not just like dabbling, like, Oh my gosh, this is waking up in me. I have serious gifts. I want to be able to do the offer this to the world. Or they're just like, maybe I don't want to offer it to the world, but I like realize there's something big, bigger than, , Life bigger than life that moves through me.
And this is when we realized like we're a channel or all these different things are the intuitive abilities. So was, the spinal energetics, did that come second to help ground your body and your nervous system, but the Tara was It's sort of like helping you bring your wisdom to the earth.
Is that how you use the two? Yes, exactly. It was, I think a reclamation of like the wisdom that I carry. It was like, Oh wow, I have this ability that like I can then share with, others. And so My connection with tarot ironically actually started with a breakup that I had. And that was, I, I think that happens to a lot of people.
It's like, we go to tarot for love money.
And I was at a point in time where I was like, what the hell is going on? I'm going through this exact same cycle again. And so I uploaded TikTok and all of a sudden my whole feed, whole thing was all tarot readings. I didn't search them out. They just started coming. Like, wow, like this is the only thing that's making me feel better.
It's the only thing that's giving me hope in this moment because I was so, it's like dark night of the soul. You're like, I don't know what, which way's up at this point. And I was like, I feel intuitive. Like, I feel like I could get those answers for myself. So there was this deep feeling of like reclamation of power.
Like I want to take my life back into my own hands and I want to figure out how to do So I got my first tarot deck started pulling and I became obsessed. Obsessed and then I started to notice the angel numbers and then the signs and synchronicities and then things that I pull would start to happen so you'd get confirmation from the universe and then eventually started sharing online and the response was, was beautiful and powerful and it helped me Find myself again, find that confidence that I like no longer had after several failed relationships that I felt like just really dwindled me.
And I think many of us can feel like that when you get out of a relationship, you don't know what you like, you kind of sometimes, and I'm a recovering people pleaser that like I would adopt whatever they enjoyed or whatever they like their music, their things. And I was like, got out of these relationships.
And I was like, what do I even like? Do I have a hobby? What's my thing? I don't know. And so then in came Tarot and, and that kind of helped me regain my confidence and my power and my strength. Yeah. And then to that point kind of leaning into, to tarot getting better and better and developing that connection with my crown to source.
I then joined a, a Reiki healing program with Karina Mosquera, who you know She helped me. She was like, you need to ground girlfriend. Like you're all up here. And so that helped me work through and start to bring things down. But then as I dropped into the body, I was like, Holy crap, there's so much here.
I haven't worked through like there so much that needs to be pulled out and move through to help me expand further to like, if I want to do tarot for real and share with more people, I need to have the capacity to do that. And I noticed a a limiting. Factor within my nervous system that was just like holding me back.
And then I saw one video of spinal energetics and I was like, I have no idea what that is, but my body needs it. I don't, I don't know what it is. And I find that many of my clients have one, one of two reactions. They're either like, that's too much. I don't that. I don't want to go near that. Or they're like, I have no idea what this is, but I need it.
Yeah. And I want to get into the spinal energetics here. Cause this is like, I know you touched on a couple of things that I know people are going to be really interested in. And, you know, you sharing online and getting such a massive response. I mean, this is where it's like using your chart so powerfully that Libra and Mercury is so strong.
And the third house, which is social media, you know, and, and we've talked about this too, like you getting a podcast going, I mean, it's just like, it's smacked up right there as like, are such a big point of power in your chart, you know? And I am really like in the Tara thing. I just have to add into this because this is like, when I started to really understand it after COVID, well, it was actually during COVID and then I was in a pretty toxic relationship.
And so I was just Googling things YouTube wise that, you know, I knew a lot about my chart, but I wasn't. Like, I just kind of wanted, when I was, I had long drives and long commutes at the time, and I just wanted something to just give me some sort of insight or guidance, you know? And I didn't care. If it landed, it landed.
It was meant for me, you know? And so I actually was basically on, like, this year long binge of, like, tarot YouTube things. Like this whole year and that's where I learned so much of tarot. I do it behind the scenes. I'm not like as skilled as you are, you know, as far as like using it, but you know, I do find it brings in a lot of insight.
And then I remember going through this when I started dating again. So every guy that I would start to date, I would pull the tarot cards like around them. And I kid you not, it was always right. It was just like, yeah, this one's this, or this one's, I mean, sometimes they would get the devil and I'd find out they had like an alcohol addiction or something, you know what I mean?
Just really crazy stuff. And so I was like, this is really, really accurate. And I remember with Ryan, my now husband I, I don't think I pulled on him till like three months in. And I actually don't even look at people's charts when I was dating. I used to like analyze it all. And I'm like, no, I just want this to be more fun.
And it was like three months in that I pulled a spread on the tarot. And, and I, what was it? I know the hierophant was the outcome. There was like the star. It was, he was, yeah, it was like, he was the emperor. I was the empress. And it was just like. We're gonna get married. I'm pretty sure, you know, like I was like, this is the dude, you know, and Yeah, I mean he was way more committed before I even was which was just also that interesting of like him being the Emperor I mean, it was just wild and stuff I just had to share that because it is a fun little story of like I love Tara And I think a lot of people get really sort of sidetracked by it and don't realize like how it can offer so much important guidance and energy and awareness around, you know, like I pulled a spread before I went to my Aussie nationals last week.
So I kind of already knew I wasn't going to have like the most success, but I did know somewhere towards the end of it, There was going to be something that really outshined all of it. And damn, if that didn't come true, you know, so it was just like a humbling experience. I had five of wands with both my dogs, like going all the way through there.
And then, you know, at the end, it was just this beautiful accolade and when, which was really cool. And so, you know, If you know how to use it and you're not just like leaning on it as like a crutch, it's really, really powerful and can offer a lot of insight. And for anybody listening, and I want to hear your take on this of like how you really started to channel through tarot.
Cause I'm working with my nephew now he's 13 and I found for him as we're doing this, he loves the tarot. He's super obsessed with it. And I'm like, just tune into the pictures. We use the light Sears deck. And I think that's one of the easier ones to start with because the imagery is so photographic of like being able to bring so much in.
And I'm just like, just channel what you feel from the images and then having all the cards speak to each other through that. And he's just like picking it up like this, you know, but he's a Libra stellium as well. So it's like, wow. Oh, my God. I love that. So just a quick question to what got him into it?
Because I'm so curious about how other people get it. He's, I mean, he's 13 and then he's, you know, didn't want to tell me. And I'm like, why would you want to tell me you're into all this? But then now it's like every week or I stopped by there and he's always like, yesterday's like, I'm trying to sit outside and get in some sleep.
Son, because I wanna open my third eye, so I need to ground . And I'm like, okay, he's so cute. Oh my God, I love him . He's like, there was an amber alert that came up on my phone, so I pulled a card spread. Here's what I got. And it was like the emperor, it was all like, actually it was Empress Aans and then AZA Panicle, he is like, I think she's gonna be okay.
It's like, it's so sweet. He is like pulls on off using it for good. I obsessed that is. So sweet. So, so beautiful question, too, with diving into tarot. So from the very beginning, I will say that kind of like my spirit guides tested me a little bit in the way of you have to get over your, your ego and the bias, because even to this day, it's very hard for me to read for myself sometimes where I like, you can look at a spread and be like what are you trying to tell me here?
Like I, there, there's this block. I don't want the tower. Man, like what, what does this mean? And, and so the very beginning of my journey was all about me shedding that ego and that bias of looking at my cards. Cause for the first probably four or five months, I was like, Oh, my ex is coming back. My ex is coming back.
I thought that's what , the cards were telling me. And obviously it wasn't. But that's my, my learning of allowing my ego to shed. So when I, when I can look at these cards, from a unbiased perspective, because it's such a beautiful tool, an introspective tool to help you look at things from a different perspective, maybe like to help you see what you're not seeing like consciously I would say for, for helping for channeling and for like practicing, I'm not gonna lie.
I bought the book and I pulled every day. It's this big yellow book on Amazon. I want to say it's 15. It shows and it tells you the upright reverse. It tells you what it would. What this card would mean within a love spread within a money spread.
Pretty comprehensive book. And so I found that so helpful. And when I was bored, I would go read it and pick a, pick a page and look over it. And then I would pull cards every day and I would try and pair one word with each card. Right. So if I'm picking up One of my cards, my Nine of Pentacles cards, is my self love card.
So within that word self love, I can pull so much then from the imagery. So if you can find like a theme around a specific card and then use whatever you're getting intuitively, whatever you're getting through the picture, that helps as well. The other piece, I think there's no wrong way to read tarot.
You could put three cards out and get five different tarot readers and they can all get a different message. So it shows that there's really no wrong way. And it also is about you developing that self trust. What comes to your mind at first. Trust it. Like, run with that. It's all about perception and, and perspective and learning to, to trust yourself when, when you're, when you're reading.
So I would give him the advice of like, what pops in your mind first, trust it and run with it. Yeah. And so for, what are your favorite decks for everybody listening? Like your top three? So when I started, I really liked the rider weight deck, which is the original deck, because a lot of that's so funny.
Like I repelled me a little bit, but anyways, I love hearing this. So yeah, I started with that one because I like I don't know, maybe the consistency of it, of knowing I can pick up of any deck wherever I am and knowing that that's, I know what those pictures mean kind of thing. And then I also love the Lightseer's deck, which I like decks specifically that the pictures look similar to the Rider Waite deck, but they put their own spin on it.
Like if you compare this, the, the Page of Wands to the Rider Waite Page of Wands, they look similar. So you can kind of, without seeing the text of the Page of Wands, you still know that that's what cards are. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So those two, I would say, and I also have another deck that is an owl deck that is my favorite, but owls are my spirit animal.
So that's, yeah, they're mine too. So and then okay, you talked about angel numbers.
So I know people are like wait angel numbers They're gonna want to come back to that. So I'm bringing it back here full circle from the beginning like Because in a lot of your videos on Instagram, I think you do the same ones on TikTok, but I'm going to speak through Instagram. And I have to laugh because my nephew literally messaged while you were talking, like, this is how intuitive he is.
He's, doing my own TikTok account because I don't have time for it. And he's really good at it. He's like, he just said a thing going, I got you 114 likes. He's so cute. I just thought it was so funny that he like wrote like right then as we were talking about him. But okay, so the angel numbers, where does that come into play with you?
Because you do all different ones. They're always on your videos. You're using them all the time in your spreads, they're just numbers on the screen, right? So at the, I mean, I think many of us on the journey, you start to get bombarded with angel numbers and you're like, how is this possible? Who's watching me?
What's, how are all of these synchronicities happening? And so I started to fall in love with angel numbers and one book I recommend for everyone to get, whether you're into this or not is angel numbers book by Kyle Gray. You can get it on Amazon. It has every single angel number and not just like three, three threes.
It has like one 57. If you saw the number one, or any of those numbers from zero to a thousand, as well as like, The double digits. But for when I put it on my tarot readings, it's typically whether it's the numbers that I. Happened to notice during a reading like sometimes I'll be pulling cards. I'll be like, oh, I just noticed one one one on the timer And I put them on the screen or the numbers that like maybe I'm getting ready to post the video and it happens to be 333 on the time and I'm like, okay, let me add that in so I Put those on the screen to help other viewers know that if the messages for them It's because a lot Like how do you know if the message is for you?
And I say a lot of time, look for synchronicities and synchronicities don't just have to be angel numbers. They can so similar. Like you could look at how many likes do I have? How many saves? How many shares looking at the time on your clock, your battery percentage, any of those things. Or maybe you saw it on a truck earlier today.
You saw the number seven, seven, seven. So those types of synchronicities within a message to know it's for you. Another way to know messages for you is like based on what I'm wearing. Right. Or if I happen to talk about something like the other day, I posted a video about my shower curtain falling and I was like, maybe your shower curtain fell.
And sometimes like spirit will send messages. Like little synchronicities like that to know that like those messages are for you. I, I hate to like tie a specific meaning with each number because I think it, it means so many different things to so many different people, right? Like we were talking this weekend about how like, well, what does this one woman was talking about how yellow roses remind her of her grandmother, but to the collective yellow roses might mean friendship, you know?
Yeah. Different people, different numbers, different symbols can mean so many different things. So, if you happen to normally see 333 when, you're about to do something very exciting, like, you might tie it to, like, I'm on the right path. But for me, like, 333 means I'm being supported. You know? Mm hmm.
And one other thing that I wanted to share too, is one thing I developed is creating your own angel number, specific angel number. So that's another thing that I'm going to share with your community of the temple is how you can create your own angel number. And that's when you know how your spirit guides are like directly talking to you and like what they're saying.
Yeah. That I cannot wait. That's going to be really cool. Yeah. Yeah. And I, I, it's, I don't really ever tie meaning to them. I just know there's certain numbers that, and gosh, for the last couple of months, it's been just three, three, three, like 33 in particular, and then seven, seven, seven, seven. And it's just wild.
So, okay. Now getting into spinal energetics, I want to talk a little bit about that because and spinal energetics for me has been really supportive,
of my journey of expansion and What I have used it for, and I know there's so many different things that people can use it for in ways and layers, but how I have personally found it really empowering is because I do a lot of energy work in my practice through the lens of astrology, through the lens of like straight up energy clearing, purging, you know, really deep, deep rooted energy work.
What I found is that we can get to a certain point through energy work. And like, I find this is like, this is where they all kind of come together. You know, it's like we can get to a certain point with spinal energetics alone, or we can get to a certain point with like other somatic practices. But then for me, It's like, okay, I have cleared all this energetically, I know exactly what the, the crux is, but I found that my nervous system is still holding a certain pattern.
Right? And so then I go into spinal energetics, . For me, where it's been really helpful is that when I have that awareness of this is this, there's just like a gap here.
It's it, and I'm just hitting it, but like, I know it's right there and something in my frequency, in my energy field. Even though I've cleared it so much, but there's just like the nervous system is where it's holding. And so then I'll go and have a session.
And usually within that first week, I'm having already experiences where I am starting to co create differently with the universe, whether that's like, healing through collaborations, through friendships, through money, income plateaus, through not, not believing that people are going to pay me what I charge for my higher ticket one to ones, you know I've worked through it, through relational stuff, through intimacy stuff, I mean, so many different layers for me.
And it's really wild to me how the universe then starts to respond so differently to me, very quickly. It's really fascinating to me for me personally, how quickly it works. Cause I don't really waste time if it doesn't work quick. I also love how you just worded it with it changes the way you, and you notice the difference in the way that you co create with the universe after a session.
And I think that describes it beautifully. And many times after a session, I'll tell my clients, we are always, The universe is always responding to us and our energy, and you just changed a lot within your energy. So I will say many times this next coming week, something absolutely beautiful may happen, right?
Something like that you've been waiting for, that change that you've been waiting for may happen. But you also may be invited to, , overcome a trigger. The universe may test you because you've changed so much within your energetic field. Things need to, be sifted out and moved out now because you're moving up a level.
And through that, it's almost like you're being given the opportunity to transcend whatever thing has been blocking you. It's like, okay, you did it energetically. Now do it physically so just kind of going into to spinal energetics and I love how you said like, the, there's obviously the scientific piece behind it, but, but I do really like to, to explain it in how people can, can understand it because like, It's so important for you to understand what's happening within you and why it's happening.
So, but from, from my perspective, we, we work off of the energetic field and off of your chakra system or your energy centers. And we look for tension patterns where we, maybe we've been storing energy or trauma within the body that may Capt off our nervous system. I kind of like to describe it as like your nervous system can get stunted at points.
Like for me, for example there was a point in time when I was in eighth grade, I ran for eighth grade president. And I got so nervous speaking in front of people, like so, so nervous, I was shaking all of it and that like capped off my nervous system for speaking in front of people for public speaking.
And ever since then, it was so difficult for me to get up in front of people because I was like, that's as much as I can handle. I know that I've, I've hit that mark and I didn't realize that that had been living within me for X amount of years. And so spinal energetics allowed me to kind of see that that was still there.
And that was like causing a lot of, , worry and anxiety within me because the vision I now had like kind of downloaded was , I'm supposed to be out there and I'm supposed to be sharing terror. I'm supposed to be leading people. So the vision that I have doesn't necessarily match the The nervous system state that I'm in or the energetic capacity that I have.
And so it's like, when there's a disconnect, I suggest that many of my clients, like when you have that vision, but your body's not matching it, or you feel like there's something that's holding you back, that's when to get a spinal energetic session, because it allows you to, connect the, that vision and that energetic capacity.
And I feel like it's so important to know that sometimes it's going to take, I mean, a lot of times it takes more than one session, you know, and any type of energetic recoding that you do, it's going to be like, you know, I, and because there's different layers, you know, it's like, okay, there's this one layer.
And maybe somebody just like, when I first started spinal With Amanda, I had a lot of anger that was just like in my solar plexus and I, it was just pent up boy and I was not letting it go, you know, I'm like, no, no, me, no, I don't get anger. Meanwhile, I'm like, it's like behind the scene, you know, it's like, I don't know, there would be like one thing that would set me off.
And then it would be that one thing. And I'd be like fuming, bitter resentment. And I talk so much about this with the feminine energetics of like, that is definitely repressed feminine. And so, but we had to like move through it so delicately to the point where finally I was in session and she just had me like beat a pillow.
She was just get up in like beat this pillow till you cannot move anymore. And I had like the biggest release after that. And. You know it was really interesting because I started to speak differently after that. I started to flow differently in my relationship after that. And there was a lot around like my, the father with me, like my father's stuff, you know, that was just suppressed.
And I just realized like even my relationship with money started to shift around that, you know, because that's that masculine energetics, but that took. That was a lot of layers. You know, I couldn't just get to that. Like it, it was a lot of different layers that I had to show up pretty consistently for about that was on week six when I finally got to that point.
Yeah, it's it's and I commend you for it too, because it's not easy work. It's like, Does take commitment and dedication. And that's one of the new things that I'm offering for my clients is packages so that you can really save some money as you're diving deeper in it and like get those results because it really takes that commitment to self of, of needing to like dive deeper, like the deeper you go, you're going to reach something new.
So what does it look like for you when you're doing the spinal energetics when you're seeing I call it stagnancy. You were calling it, tension patterns.
So yeah, what does that look like for you when you're seeing into somebody like, yeah, say throat chakra, because so many people are still clearing major throat chakra stuff collectively. Absolutely. So we look at it we're basically looking for flow, right? The flow of energy. And it kind of looks like this nice body wave that might be happening.
And so when there is restriction or tension pattern there, there might be banding within the back. So if you notice during a session, somebody's feeling they start to have a trauma shake or they, they start to feel constricted. Maybe they're specifically during a session, if your throat chakra or your attention being held in your neck which is associated with the throat chakra, you might drop your chin down.
And so that might be like, that it's, it's called the hit health state. All right. So within that state, there's this fear of speaking your truth, having yourself be seen. And so it's basically all I'm doing is observing the body and the body tells this story and speaks to me. So as I'm watching it float, where are they getting stuck?
Where is this Why, where is the banding? Where is the tension that's, that's coming up in the body? So I guess when they teach you the spinal, they're teaching you deep observation of the body of what the body is telling everybody. And then from my space energetically, cause I am like, yeah, In the energy field it's similar, but different.
Like, so my eyes are closed. I'm looking for like, what's going to look maybe like black condensed, , murky gray, maybe even electric currency looking like, Ooh, okay. There's something there. Let's go deeper into that there. And, and what I'll, and the other thing that was really interesting that you brought forward.
Was like the story of you with like eighth grade, you know, in that story. It's so similar. I didn't realize how similar our work was because that is what I'll do is get to what's alive and active in the chart for people, but that's expressing itself now through what they're sharing with me and put words similar to what you do.
But then we go back energetically and we recode that situation. So it's like, they take me through their higher consciousness to that moment that it starts, that it started the higher consciousness shows them, but I connect them into that.
And then we go back to that moment and we completely recode it and reprogram it. Sometimes it's in the womb. Sometimes it's beyond lifetimes. Right. And then we pull that timeline into this now moment so that it's, it collapses all the other moments. It's like they start to go through time and space of and we bring healing to all the other times that it's happening, whether they can see it or not.
Usually they'll pick up like, between three and four other moments that really stand out, but there's probably all these other little moments in between then and there, and then bring it into the body now as recoded. And so it's really fascinating. Then we go into the future timelines of how they're thinking and responding now that this is recoded.
And then we collapse that into the body now, completely recoded. So I had no idea how similar, like the work that we do is. It's quite similar in many ways. It's fascinating. Yeah. It's so powerful to hear different perspectives, see different ways that we can heal. Our whole goal is, is to feel our most authentic self and the events that have happened in our life, whether it's this lifetime, past lifetimes have are the things that are affecting the way that we show up.
And so it doesn't matter which modality we use. We're all trying to get to that same place of like our most authentic expression and our most free feeling self. And I love that you mentioned that. And, and to that point. Working with spinal might work for some time and then you need to try something else as well.
And it's not a one size fits all for this whole journey. Yeah. Yeah. And that makes sense why I'm like so drawn to you because it obviously was very similar without putting words to it, you know, cause I'm always asking the universe,
that I'm doing for other people can do this for me. This is very hard to find, you know, people, once you get to a certain layer energetically that can, especially for those of us that have done so much, you know and a lot of people in the entrepreneur space there, they've, they've tried it all, you know, so they're like, okay, bring me something that's really going to hit this.
And I think for me, that is where spinal. Energetics has really helped me kind of get through some big plateaus that I just couldn't have gotten through otherwise, but I had to know from me personally, I had to know what it was that I was showing up with, you know, at least have some sort of like, this is what has been happening.
This is what I've been feeling. This is what I've been experiencing in order to come in and reflect it. I think you hit on a really important part. There's the self awareness because you can't fix what you don't know what you can't see.
And so in order to know what you want to work, it's like you hit that point where like, okay, I'm done with the way that things are and you need to be willing to like hit that moment of like, okay, I want to change here. To dive in and do that work and it showed because you're like, okay, whatever's happening here.
I'm done with right like that. We all hit that moment. You're like, okay, I'm ready to dive in and and do the work to change this. Yeah, and then you give a lot of intuitive messages throughout your sessions, which I find really cool. Me personally, I know people do Reiki differently, and I've been in some where nobody says anything at all.
And that's probably really helpful for some people, but for me, I kind of like want to know what's coming through, through the other person, because I find it really helpful. You know, it's like, they're sensing something. And I want to know from your perspective too, not my, I'm here to like get an outside perspective, you know, like, I don't want to.
Walk away just going like, okay, my body feels peaceful. I want to walk away with some, cause words are so powerful in helping us shift energy as well. You know, and maybe that's my Mercury and all my Aquarius. It's like, the words are just super powerful for me. So in your sessions, when you've said certain things, I'm like, okay, it's, it's kind of like takes me deeper or it brings some validation or sometimes I'm like, Actually, I didn't even want to fucking hear that, but like, it's so on point, you know, like, that was my blind spot, . No, absolutely. And I think it kind of shows it's not that one way is better than another. It's more so tailored to how that practitioner works as well. Right. I find that like when I'm on the table, I enjoy when someone helps take me deeper. Cause sometimes I just had a session with a client maybe a week or two ago and they, they had a very like calm session.
And it's so interesting. The thing that I said at the end. Was the thing that helped break through. It was the, the word as opposed to all the energy work we had just done. Right. It was the thing that I said, which was the thing that, that broke through the surface and helps them get that clarity. Mm-Hmm.
So I think that for myself, I'm similar if, if someone can, and I'm on the table and I'm processing and someone says that message that hits on the thing that I was working through. Like you are enough, maybe that the whole week I've been feeling so down and struggling. And if that one word of like, you are enough, your spirit guides have the message of you are enough.
That's when everything. Oh my God. And you start belly crying, like this, this inner child, like, that's all I needed to hear, you know? And it helps take you deeper because it's, it's it's, it's just the expression because I'm picking up on whatever needs to be said through you. If that makes sense.
Yeah, for sure. And one last thing I just want to touch on with spinal energetics, because for anybody that, if you start Googling things, you're going to see like these very like pathetic, like, you know, videos where people are like curling up out of their body and doing all kinds of things.
And I just want to say that I don't do that in my sessions, just because I don't want people to be like. That's really out of my comfort zone. Because I personally feel like everybody should try spinal energetics, see if it's for you. Right. I really do. Because it's, it's something that could be really complimentary to your already existing practice or, you know, there's something that you can't quite.
Breakthrough and you, you're at like a plateau and you just want this, like, you know, whatever it is, it can be really, really helpful. And so if you start to see these videos that there is a lot where people are moving. And for me, that's just never been my experience. I do move, but it's not, it's more just like stretching or moving or like, Oh, I feel this like really tightness in the back of my shoulders or in like my neck.
And with you, I've actually learned to tell you that. Through there of like, I'm feeling this here. And, and, and then like, even last time I was doing more like a cobra pose and just doing different things that just helped me release that more, but don't feel like you have to, cause I want people to like, come to you and work with you.
And I just know like some people in my community are going to see that and be like, that is not, I am not doing that. You know? Yeah. A thousand percent. It is provocative for sure that the videos, not every session looks like that at all. I just posted a video today. That's pretty intense. And it's me working on another practitioner who also does this work.
So that session might look different than someone who does other energy work. One is not better than another. Some people have more of an internal experience and that is just the way that their body processes. And so it's, it's not even about the movement at all, really. It's more so about the connection.
Keep saying it's, it's, it's all about the connection and it's really connecting that mind and body. I will say that if, if your body's not ready to do that movement, it, it, it won't. It's not like I'm, I'm forcing you or doing anything to you. You know what I mean? It's more so whatever your body and you're willing to.
Would want to move through. Yeah, I would say that the. Number one thing I would say that we do during a session is we connect your mind and your body. So similar to how you listen to your body when you're hungry, like your belly growls, okay, my brain says, okay, we're hungry, let's go eat. Similar kind of situation, you might feel during a session, like you said, something in your back, You might be like, okay, it would feel good if I stretched out my shoulders.
And then it's a lot of stretching or movement and just listening to what your body's telling you. And it doesn't have to look like this big grand, like pathetic, like, working. It is still so potent and powerful. It doesn't have to look like that. And one thing that has been shown to me time and time again, recently is let go of the expectation, forget The post to look like what you think you should be doing, what you think, like you should be moving through or whatever.
And this goes for all facets of our life, not just these final energetic sessions, but like let go of the expectation and allow the universe and like, allow yourself to surprise you. You know what I mean? No, I love that. And, and as I've been doing more of it, like I do move more, you know, just like, cause it is that mind body connection.
You know, I, I fortunately do have a Capricorn moon, but it was 17 air placements in my chart. So I am quite in my mind a lot. Like I think a lot. So, you know, that I think that's why I love doing spinal energetics even more than breath work because breath work still kind of keeps me in like a thinking pattern.
Whereas like with the spinal, I can just like, Zen out with the music and just flow with it and move with it. So. I do want to make sure we hit this. So we're going to come back full circle to tarot. I had the download when we started because I want, I think you guys got a really good taste of the spinal energetics with Jen.
And then. I'm super excited to experience a little bit of her tarot and I want you guys to kind of witness her Not kinda to fully witness her and her expertise here and so right before I was getting ready for this podcast and I was sitting meditating and they were like Ask Jen if she would be willing to do a live spread and so I did and she said yes and so I don't know how you want to do this or if you want to just do a random Or you want me to think of something or have some like how do you want to do this?
So we can do it similar to how I would do a reading for somebody else they came to me. So I will say that as we move into this, we can have spirit guide you and we can just ask what does spirit want to tell you or talk to you about right now? Or if you have a specific question that you'd like to gain some clarity about, we can go through that.
These are either one of those that you feel called to. I let's, you know, Capricorn moon here. I know what I want to ask. Well, it's so, and my moon is in the fourth house. So I'm looking at some different ways to diversify, like my investments portfolio, I am one that does not believe that all my money should come right from business.
Although if there's something in there through business In there. So I, I am looking at. Bringing on a couple of new income properties, rental properties. I have three so far. And my goal is by the time that I'm 50 to have flipped several houses and then have about 10 rental things. So anyways, I took a break off from it for a bit, going to open up the can of worms over the weekend and looking at a couple of properties tonight.
So finances are always interesting for me. And from that aspect, or even through the business as well. He's saying, okay, so we're diving into rental properties and other forms of income. What's the energy? We'll ask what I can give yes or no questions, but the energy around this kind of heading back into rental properties or would you say flipping properties?
Both. So I, I have not, we did an experimentation with my husband's house before we moved in together. Well, I did it. He didn't realize it was like, and so I loaned him a sum of money, you know, to basically renovate his house and it ended up like being super profitable. And so, you know, that. So that would be like a flip, but I don't want to do a complete like new roof, new, you know, I mean, we're, we would be doing like more minor renovation type things, but also then long term rental income properties as well.
All right. So we'll dive into this. So take a moment now to just kind of settle into your seat. We're going to call in your guides. We'll connect energy and then we will get started. So take. Deep breath in, and out. I'm calling on Rachelle's spirit guides, her guardian angels, the universe, God, her entire spirit team to please come in.
Please remove any negative energy by thought, word, or action. Please protect our energy as we communicate. Taking one more deep breath in, and out. Okay, let's get you some information, spirit guides. What can you tell us about this next phase? And heading back into properties of another form of financial, another financial stream, I guess we would say.
All right, what can you tell us about it? What do you want to tell us?
Okay, first card out is the fifth of swords, five of swords, the queen of swords, the eight of swords, lots of swords, which is all energy, air energy, which makes sense why it's connected to you. Okay. So, really beautiful energy here. There is some resistance here that I want to dive into, but there's also like a really, it makes sense why you're feeling called towards this, this again.
So with the Six of Swords, you're being guided. Very, very clearly guided. It's the spiritual boat. It's Like, if you can notice within this card as well with the imagery, these, these three crows, which symbolize intuition, you're following your intuition in some way, you feel a pull and your guides are, are, are guiding you.
It's, it's almost like you're moving away from a more tumultuous time in your life. And so there's a bit of a transition period that you're in are moving towards with the five of swords, eight of swords. with the Queen of Swords. There's definitely a lot of being up in your head about this, but the Five of Swords, Eight of Swords, these cards are a lot of, a lot of mental conflict, a lot of struggling to find clarity.
Get them a lot. Yeah. Queen of Swords, she's very analytical. She is a bad bitch and she knows exactly what she wants. It's a thousand percent, but it's sometimes hard to drop into that body and that heart space to be like, okay, what am I feeling pulled to like, logically, I get what I should be doing on paper, but sometimes it makes it difficult to like, okay, where, what is my intuition feeling called to do?
Cause like, logically I should be doing this and it makes sense on paper, but. There's, there's is there a, something specific that's been holding you back from going all in on this specifically? Or, or diving deep into it? Yeah, I think just timing and the, the flip thing was we had so much to do, like, and then we were getting married and different things.
I think that there could be resistance. Like Ryan is a little bit more, I would say I am more risk like I'm willing to take the risk. You know I've, I've always been really confident in investing myself into like, I just say, yeah, I'm willing to take the risk. Like, and, and I have invested large amounts of money, money and doing things and in my life.
Whereas he is a little bit like, that is just not something I would do. Like even when I loaned him the money for the house, I'm like, yeah, here's like full transparency. Here's 30 grand. I'm pretty sure we could make like 150 off of this. And he was like, then he was so worried about it the whole time.
What if I don't get your money back? I'm like. You'll get the money back. It's fine. Like we'll get the money back. You know, it's like, it doesn't eat me up at night. If that makes sense. I think it's more him is the resistance. Cause yeah, with the queen of sorts, she's very decisive. Like, look at her, like she's looking at it.
They're just like, I know exactly what I want, what I want to do. I can tell which ships need to go where and what needs to happen. Like, but So it this weekend, I'm like, we need to do this. And he was like, well, I think we should diversify us. And I'm diversified enough. This is what my, and I just said, I feel like my intuition is pulling me to do this right now, like right now.
So with that being said, we have the Ace of Wands at the bottom or at that, that last piece of this, this line and the spread it it's, which is all about like a new, passionate beginning and new, like a fire's been lit. Yeah. That's it. It's like that new stoking that fire. And really like I'm even, they're even showing me to like the fire in your belly, like that thing that you, you feel driven to do being guided towards that.
With Nine of Pentacles as well, which we said before it was the self love card, it's also like this card of She's looking at her garden and all the beauty that she's cultivated and it took time. It took work. It took like dedication to herself and her environment to make sure that all the beautiful things around her have like developed and, and, and come to fruition.
So there is this energy of pushing past this, this mental conflict that whatever has been kind of Feeling a little sticky. If you were going to say and continue to to push forward trusting that intuitive feeling because there's a brand new passion, whether this is a new house that you find or a new project, there's something that's going to like light that fire in you again.
Any guidance yet moving forward in this. This next page, we have a show with the four of swords, the moon, death, and rebirth. Okay. Okay. Interesting. With the four of swords, the moon, death, and rebirth, there's a lot of, it's almost inviting you and reminding you to take time to rest. Taking time to like tuning into your energy first before going to work on something else.
Does that make sense? So making sure that like, that you are sound and stable first. With the moon, death and rebirth, this is like a really beautiful time of transformation too. It may bring out some shadows. It's a new project. So it's like, okay, we're going to go through a cycle of, of overcoming any any subconscious beliefs that we may feel around starting this again.
Does that make sense? But with the work, Eight of Pentacles, Justice, Eight of Wands, Eight. Maybe significant. There's a really beautiful time of like things working out for you. It's going to be a transformative time and a time of like endings and new beginnings and cycles coming to a close. But it's, it's, it's really going to be so.
So fulfilling, but with justice as well coming out, you know what I mean? That work, it's going to work out in your favor. Yeah. I always like saying that, you know, once, cause it means like, to me, that feels like something coming in fast too. Like it's like right around the corner kind of vibes. And the other thing that I didn't mention.
So all the other projects that I've done, they've been on my own. So that, like, doing this with Ryan is like the first time of doing it with somebody together, which is my north node in Libra, like, and it's like this shadow side of, like, is he gonna take all of this? Or what if we get a divorce and then we have to settle all this?
You know, I'm just fully transparent. So like that, I think is the shadow side of it of like, what if, you know, this doesn't work out together, how do I make this work? And then even my realtor writes me and he's like, so how are you planning to do this now with Ryan? Is this going to be like LLC? Is this going to be like, how are you like ask, you know, just ask me all these like business questions around it.
And I was like, yeah, I have to think about that. Yes. So it's going to be, like I said, the most transformative time for you, but it's also going to be so rewarding. Like it's going to bring up those shadows that like, like they say, there are some wounds that you can only heal in union. There is like, you need the other person to help you look at those things.
And so while it's all going to work out, I want to start with that. It's all going to work for North node and the balance that will be there. That's so well. But it's going to be a very transformative, maybe triggering and really beautifully healing time for the both of you. Yeah. Well, and I think for him, like having a little bit more sense of purpose in life.
I mean, he's talked about that quite a bit, you know and wanting to have more of that, but he's at a job that's very stable and solid and he's 53. So it's like, do I want to leave that to go just fill my You know me, I would say yes, but like, he's a very different person than me. You know I think in this online space, we're kind of privileged in this unique bubble.
And yeah, I forget how things are sometimes for other people. You know what I mean? So anyways, that was really cool. Like, it's so funny how much of it literally having a week and a half off of. All things business. And I love my business. I love writing advice and what I've created. But even in that, I'm like, you know, being really pulled to relaunch my alchemy of animal communication course, you know, which was done in early 2023.
But I've learned so much since then I went through two big losses of my own animals and different things. So it's so interesting how Like I think for many of us, we're probably feeling this with like Pluto getting ready to really come into Aquarius and just these it's done in Capricorn. It's the, it's the final, it's never coming back here.
So it's like the final shit that's being cleared out. And now it's where I'm even being called to go now, even with the real estate is like, no, we really need to do some flips. We need to do that. Because like, in my mind, I'm like, We could easily make through three houses, roughly a hundred grand a year, you know, so this is where my mind is already, I'm already into the outcome and like, we're going to do this, you know, it's so funny and go back and I really want to do more with the animal stuff.
And it was great to be rekindled with that all weekend, all week and a half and completely unplugged. So I love this, this is really cool. So you do tarot spreads for people? Are they typically longer, like a full like hour type session? One on one tarot readings and spiritual coaching. So any other questions you have for anything that's been going on with you and those are an hour long.
And I also offer spinal energetic sessions, which are also an hour, as well as Reiki, which is another beautiful thing. And I want to reiterate too, that like you need both, you need the intense healing and you need the soft, beautiful, calming healing as well. So like all the options there for whatever you're kind of facing throughout your journey.
Okay. I also now I'm just launching packages, which are really cool. So it gives you the opportunity to get to space them out and use them at your own pace, or if you want to kind of go a little bit deeper and more intense in your healing journey, you can have them. By weekly, every week, whatever you're kind of feeling called to do.
And then the last package that I had to offer is a transformational trio, which is two tarot readings, two Reiki sessions and two spinal energetic sessions for you to use at your pace whenever you feel called to yeah. Of course you're like at your pace. I'm like, I would want every single week, please.
I, I am not here to go slow. Why we get along. Yes. That's awesome. Well, thank you so much for coming on. And then just what is your Instagram? Yes. So my Instagram is ascension soul development and my Tik TOK is spirit. CC me. So spirit CCD me. That's so cool. CCD me. That's fun. Love it. Okay, I'll drop all those links below and also help people, I'll drop a booking link for people to get in touch with you as well.
And your web, do you have a website or is it just through Instagram? AscensionSoulDevelopment. com and the link is in my File both on TikTok and Instagram if you want to. Awesome. Awesome. This is so much fun. Thank you. Oh, and everybody listening, if you want to come into the temple, Jen is going to be there next month and she's going to be going deeper into the tarot.
And like she already mentioned, doing the angel number, how we can find our own personal unique angel number, which I like really am excited for. And I will drop information for the temple below, but you can join as a single month for 222. Or you become an annual member for 2, 222 a year, which breaks down into 12 monthly payments of 186.
And you get all of my courses, including upcoming guided masterclass, which is all about spirit guides and all previous masterclasses as well. And some courses in there too. So anyways, Jen's going to be in there next month. And thank you. Thank you so much.
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